Benefits of the Law to a society, Justification by Grace and Faith to a believer- Revised

I am going to do some teaching and I’m sorry if it makes your head hurt, but this I have to share because it has really been put on my heart.

Before I start off I am going to define what a Covenant is.

A Covenant is an agreement between God and another party which cannot be broken based on the conditions of the Covenant.

The Old Covenant, and this particular Covenant of Moses was made by God and Moses and it could not be broken.

The New Covenant is made between God and Himself – that’s why the Bible says that because He could not find anyone greater, He swore by Himself – Hebrews 6:13, and that is the Blood Covenant that He had with His Son.

I’m going to start off by saying that we are in no way bound by the Law or Torah, or the curses in it because Jesus paid the price for the curse and we are now under a New Covenant which is much better than the Old Covenant.  It is the Holy Spirit that leads us through the conscience with the law written upon our hearts, which is part of the New Covenant, a much better covenant and we are justified by grace and faith alone!!

Now the Law, which is not the same as the Old Covenant was not all bad either, and many people Christians and non-Christians alike still follow the law for whether consciously or unconsciously.  There were reasons for eating animals that chewed the cud, and with divided hoofs, and reasons for that were mostly sanitary and hygienic.  Most of the laws were guidelines for being sanitary and hygienic during those times because the society was not as developed with technology as we are now, so they had to find a way to take care of their lives and obey the laws.  For example, I want to ask a question to you – Take a typical 5 year old girl….would she want to eat a lizard?  Yet the lizard is considered unclean.  If you ask her she would say, “Yucky”.  If you asked a 9 year old girl she would probably say, “that’s disgusting.”  I’m trying to find the right age group to pose this scenario with, but in reality a typical girl would say no.  You have animal rights groups protecting the rights of the eagle, and other animals, and I am sure they include some of the animals mentioned in Leviticus 11.  Also there is a law that says if that if an insect has landed into your bowl you are to break it and not to use it.  Would you want to eat out of a bowl with a fly in it?  Probably not, so these laws are already ingrained in human nature and are by most cases common sense.  So that’s where it came from and the principles of how to live are there. So that shows the benefit of the law and maybe hints at the reason why it was there.  It was there to ingrain into the society the proper way to live, and whenever they strayed away from the Law there was destruction.

 

Now we are no longer bound under the Law anymore, we are under Grace, which is unmerited favor.  That means that you don’t have to do anything to earn the favor of God.

Here is the definition of the word charis for favor –

1) grace

a) that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech

2) good will, loving-kindness, favour

a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues

3) what is due to grace

a) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace

b) the token or proof of grace, benefit

1) a gift of grace

2) benefit, bounty

4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward”

Blue Letter Bible. “Dictionary and Word Search for charis (Strong’s 5485)“. Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2012. 27 Mar 2012. < http:// www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?
Strongs=G5485&t=NASB >

Paul brings in clarification between sin, law, and grace –

Romans 2:12-16

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Same verses in the Easy to Read Version –

12 People who have the law and those who have never heard of the law are all the same when they sin. People who don’t have the law and are sinners will be lost. And, in the same way, those who have the law and are sinners will be judged by the law. 13Hearing the law does not make people right with God. They will be right before him only if they always do what the law says.

14 Those who are not Jews don’t have the law. But when they naturally do what the law commands without even knowing the law, then they are their own law. This is true even though they don’t have the written law. 15 They show that in their hearts they know what is right and wrong, the same as the law commands, and their consciences agree. Sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done wrong, and this makes them guilty. And sometimes their thoughts tell them that they have done right, and this makes them not guilty.

16 All this will happen on the day when God will judge people’s secret thoughts through Jesus Christ. This is part of the Good News that I tell everyone.

Same verses in the Message Bible –

12-13If you sin without knowing what you’re doing, God takes that into account. But if you sin knowing full well what you’re doing, that’s a different story entirely. Merely hearing God’s law is a waste of your time if you don’t do what he commands. Doing, not hearing, is what makes the difference with God.

14-16When outsiders who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God’s law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God’s yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God’s yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.

Before I go into this, I want to point out there are things that all people have in common regardless of whether they believe in Jesus.  For example, everyone has a spirit.  The believer’s spirit is subject to the Holy Spirit, and the unbeliever’s spirit is subject to the kingdom of darkness.  So even though Gentiles or Jews who are unbelievers, when they naturally obey the Law, they still have a conscience that proves them guilty or not guilty, and since they do not have Jesus they either write off their conscience as saying that, “I do not have to seem guilty for anything” or they say “I really feel bad for what I did because I know it was wrong.”  The believer has this hope that Jesus Christ will forgive them for their sins and cleanse their transgressions as far as the east is from the west, but the unbeliever does not have this hope because they do not have this hope.  The New Covenant replaced this overbearing burden of following the religious Laws that were becoming a burden, with replacing them with a Law of Love or Agape, and now under this new Law, it does not matter whether you break the Mosaic Law (but God still wants you to follow the ethical guidelines in the Law especially the Ten Commandments), as long as you act out of a unconditional self-sacrificing love that comes only through Jesus Christ, and with a desire to become more like Him.  Granted we are not all perfect, and still a work in progress, but the Lord is merciful and patient with us to make sure we develop the fruit of the Holy Spirit that He has put in as seeds, which will grow and bear fruit.  But if you are weighed down with feeling unclean, or burdened by all the Laws in Leviticus don’t be because God knows your heart, and He is testing you to see how much you will follow and obey Him.  Sometimes people, especially unbelievers, end up with a seared conscience when they have done something wrong so many times that they don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, and that really effects the society.

The thing that really helped me is knowing and having that vision that we are already in Heaven, those that sincerely and with a pure heart believe on the name of Jesus, and the life here on earth is just temporary, and like the Bible says, “but a vapor”.  We have to be eternity minded.  On the big scheme of things is it really going to matter whether you had a ham sandwich, or ate that piece of shrimp.  Probably not, but if you want to live and make the most out of the body you have been given here on earth then you should probably not eat that.

The Message has a pretty good explanation of what happens to a society after they don’t obey God, and are not motivated by a pure and sincere heart to believe Jesus of the Bible and love Jesus of the Bible and to do whatever He tells them to do, –

Ignoring God Leads to a Downward Spiral

18-23But God’s angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth. But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can’t see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse. What happened was this: People knew God perfectly well, but when they didn’t treat him like God, refusing to worship him, they trivialized themselves into silliness and confusion so that there was neither sense nor direction left in their lives. They pretended to know it all, but were illiterate regarding life. They traded the glory of God who holds the whole world in his hands for cheap figurines you can buy at any roadside stand.

24-25So God said, in effect, “If that’s what you want, that’s what you get.” It wasn’t long before they were living in a pigpen [imagine hoarders buried alive- but in this sense made their lives a mess], smeared with filth, filthy inside and out. And all this because they traded the true God for a fake god, and worshiped the god they made instead of the God who made them—the God we bless, the God who blesses us. Oh, yes!

26-27Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.

28-32Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose. And then all hell broke loose: rampant evil, grabbing and grasping, vicious backstabbing. They made life hell on earth with their envy, wanton killing, bickering, and cheating. Look at them: mean-spirited, venomous, fork-tongued God-bashers. Bullies, swaggerers, insufferable windbags! They keep inventing new ways of wrecking lives. They ditch their parents when they get in the way. Stupid, slimy, cruel, cold-blooded. And it’s not as if they don’t know better. They know perfectly well they’re spitting in God’s face. And they don’t care—worse, they hand out prizes to those who do the worst things best!

So now before I get a bucket of slime poured out over my head, I just want to say that this was a historical trend throughout civilizations, time and time again, what happened when people took their eyes off of God and did what was right in their own eyes.

Romans 2 again – The Message Bible –

God Is Kind, but Not Soft

1-2Those people are on a dark spiral downward. But if you think that leaves you on the high ground where you can point your finger at others, think again. Every time you criticize someone, you condemn yourself. It takes one to know one. Judgmental criticism of others is a well-known way of escaping detection in your own crimes and misdemeanors. But God isn’t so easily diverted. He sees right through all such smoke screens and holds you to what you’ve done.

3-4You didn’t think, did you, that just by pointing your finger at others you would distract God from seeing all your misdoings and from coming down on you hard? Or did you think that because he’s such a nice God, he’d let you off the hook? Better think this one through from the beginning. God is kind, but he’s not soft. In kindness he takes us firmly by the hand and leads us into a radical life-change.

5-8You’re not getting by with anything. Every refusal and avoidance of God adds fuel to the fire. The day is coming when it’s going to blaze hot and high, God’s fiery and righteous judgment. Make no mistake: In the end you get what’s coming to you—Real Life for those who work on God’s side, but to those who insist on getting their own way and take the path of least resistance, Fire!

9-11If you go against the grain, you get splinters, regardless of which neighborhood you’re from, what your parents taught you, what schools you attended. But if you embrace the way God does things, there are wonderful payoffs, again without regard to where you are from or how you were brought up. Being a Jew won’t give you an automatic stamp of approval. God pays no attention to what others say (or what you think) about you. He makes up his own mind.

In the NASB – Romans 2 –

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But [d]because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress [e]for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

2 Timothy 3:2-6 says:

2For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane.

3[They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good.

4[They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, [and] inflated with self-conceit. [They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God.

5For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].

6For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate silly and weak-natured and spiritually dwarfed women, loaded down with [the burden of their] sins [and easily] swayed and led away by various evil desires and seductive impulses.

 

Some people especially unbelievers think God is softhearted, and He is not going to take into consideration all the wickedness that is done, that He is not going to do anything about all the stuff going on right now – you see it, it’s on the news, but believe me, the day is coming when He will no longer overlook, but for those by perseverance {precondition believing on Jesus} in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, and eternal life.  But those that don’t do what is right are storing up for themselves a time of wrath.  Point being that if you’re an unbeliever seek God first through His Son Jesus Christ, and if you are a believer, then don’t Judge because the greatest law there is in this world, is the Law of Agape or love through His Son Jesus Christ.  This kind of love builds on relationships you have with people, and makes you want to help people out.  And you may see people who are not Christians that might seem to have more of this unconditional self-sacrificing love – it literally means affection, goodwill, love, and benevolence, or brotherly love or loving one’s neighbor, and since we are all created in the image of God, we all have potential for this kind of love, but for the potential to be maximized, the only way is through Jesus Christ.  Because despite being just a nice or good person you are not perfect and your sin still has to be redeemed and that is through the Blood of Jesus Christ.  The safer side for a Christian with a pure sincere heart is to be on the side of Grace, because Jesus is the Personification of Grace…and if you want God’s favor you will need Grace, but if you make mistakes and you honestly feel bad about it and you don’t want to do it, and if you have accepted Jesus then you have nothing to fear as long as you keep up with it, don’t give up and don’t lose faith!!!

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11 thoughts on “Benefits of the Law to a society, Justification by Grace and Faith to a believer- Revised

  1. @”It is the Holy Spirit that leads us through the conscience with the law

    written upon our hearts”
    —————————————————–

    when you say “the law”,
    you meant the new Laws? new laws, which is “love”
    or
    are you saying the 10 commandments is written in our hearts in the new law?

    so sorry, I too have to put distinction sometimes, because when I say
    the law, it can refer to the old or the new.

    if you say the 10 commandments, then I have a long list of questions 🙂

    – grace and peace

    • Romans 2:15 says 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, – the word there is nomos and it’s definition is referring to Mosaic Law. Is the link to the page and in the Thayer’s Lexicon it says that the Law there refers to Law written our hearts is the Law of Moses, which is whichever Laws that are still applicable, but what it is better is to do what the Holy Spirit tells you to, and what He convicts you through your conscience and by that you will be fulfilling the obedience of the Lord. When we act out of love and the fruit of the Holy Spirit listed in Galatians 5 – love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control then there is no such law against those things. So whenever you feel yourself failing and condemned ask yourself that which of these areas am I failing in, and make an effort to change in that area, but not by your own efforts, but by trust in the Holy Spirit and the love of Jesus to change you. I hope that answers your question.

      Grace and peace to you too. God Bless dear friend.

      • are you saying the 10 commandments is written in our hearts in the new law?

        yes? or no?

        i apologize for this long post. first part below. second part on next reply

        the way I understood Romans 2:15 is like this.

        In the old covenant, that is before the new covenant

        The Jews have the Law, because Moses handed it over to them
        Gentiles have the Law also. written in their hearts and their conscience affirms it

        Now, in the New Covenant
        The Jews who are under Law, are no longer under Law
        goes with the gentiles too.

        so in the new covenant, is about Faith.
        both Jews and Gentiles are now Justified by faith.
        not only that, Holiness, righteousness … sanctification
        all is by grace. no more laws involved.

        so the 10 commandments, were written in the heart of the Gentiles, before God gave a New Covenant.
        and that new covenant did not write the 10 commandments in our hearts.
        the 10 commandments has been written already in stones (jews) and heart (gentile) long before the New Covenant was announced. It does not make sense to write it again when it has been written already.

        and now the 10 commandments has been made obsolete by the new.

    • @”It is the Holy Spirit that leads us through the conscience with the law written upon our hearts”
      —————————————————–

      im just thinking out loud here 🙂

      ok. so the Jews have moral laws (the big 10), sacrificial Laws, etc…
      this are all Laws.

      are you saying that God in the new covenant wrote the 10 commandments
      in our hearts?

      isn’t it the Law cannot justify us?
      isn’t it the Law shows man’s sinfulness?
      isn’t it the Law increases sin?
      isn’t it the Law was a baby sitter?

      isn’t it the Law was given to the Jews? not gentiles?
      isn’t Paul was upset with the Galatians because they were
      gentiles and yet they went back to the Law thinking they
      will receive justification by it?

      isn’t it we receive the holy Spirit by believing what we heard about Jesus
      and now by the works of the Law?

      isn’t it God found FAULT with the old covenant?
      if so, why would God write it to our hearts?

      “For if that first covenant had been FAULTLESS, then no place would have been sought for a second”
      – Hebrews 8:7-9

      isn’t it God obsoletes the old? and made a new? if so, why would God still include it on the new if its old?

      “By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear”
      – Hebrews 8:13

      isn’t it Jesus said “we cannot put old to new wineskin? if so, then
      why would God include the old in the new?

      thnx

  2. @”so the 10 commandments, were written in the heart of the Gentiles, before God gave a New Covenant.
    and that new covenant did not write the 10 commandments in our hearts.
    the 10 commandments has been written already in stones (jews) and heart (gentile) long before the New Covenant was announced. It does not make sense to write it again when it has been written already.
    and now the 10 commandments has been made obsolete by the new.”

    The 10 Commandments are/were not written on the heart of the Gentiles before God gave the New Covenant because before God gave the New Covenant, the Gentiles are/were having the following violations:1) having other gods before them, 2) making graven images 3)They weren’t giving proper honor to the Lord and in essence taking His name in vain 4)They weren’t taking a day to worship the Lord and to rest their bodies, but Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, and the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, but the Gentiles were not honoring the Lord because they did not know who He was because He only revealed Himself to the Jews. 5)With honoring the mother and father, people were fornicating with each others parents during those days 6)people were murdering 7)people were stealing 8)people were committing adultery 9)people were lying to each other 10))people were greedy and jealous

    If you love Jesus
    1) Will you want to have any other god before Him?
    2) Will you want to make statues of other gods?
    3) Would you want to curse His name?
    4) Would you want to go to Church and worship Him and just relax knowing He’s holding you?
    5) Would you want to submit to authority and obey your parents like Paul says in Colossians?
    6) Would you want to kill anybody?
    7) Would you want to steal anything from anybody?
    8) Would you want to keep your body holy and sanctified before marriage?
    9) Would you want to lie?
    10)Would you want to crave anything except for Jesus?

    The key thing is that you would not want to.

    I must clarify something here – Paul talks a lot about walking after the flesh and walking after the Spirit. Here is the definition of the carnal nature.

    1) fleshly, carnal
    a) having the nature of flesh, i.e. under the control of the animal appetites
    1) governed by mere human nature not by the Spirit of God
    2) having its seat in the animal nature or aroused by the animal nature
    3) human: with the included idea of depravity

    Blue Letter Bible. “Dictionary and Word Search for sarkikos (Strong’s 4559)”. Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2012. 28 Mar 2012.

    The Holy Spirit is Jesus’ nature and in Galatians 5 it says-

    13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!

    Walking in the Spirit

    16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 ***But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.***

    19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    If you love one another you will keep His commandments – 10. When you love Jesus you will not want to have other gods, or make or worship idols, curse His name, want to assemble to worship Him, to relax in His presence, you would to honor your parents if they have been good to you,

    God hasn’t changed from Old Covenant to New Covenant. He’s still the same God. Basically the Law was there to teach right from wrong, and to give guidelines to holy living, but now we are under grace and through the Holy Spirit He teaches you to do what is right. You have to remember that in those days the Gentiles did not go to synagogues, and did not have knowledge of Scripture like we do these days. They did not have Bibles, or the Holy Spirit. We now through the blessed Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit to teach us right from wrong, and to teach us how to walk a holy life and we now have the Word of God to teach us right from wrong as well and we have to take the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation to guide us.

    Continued on next reply.

  3. isn’t it the Law cannot justify us?

    The Law does not justify us, faith.

    isn’t it the Law shows man’s sinfulness?

    The Law shows sin, but it also shows right from wrong, and we are no longer under the curses listed in Deuteronomy because Jesus has become a curse.

    isn’t it the Law increases sin?
    Law doesn’t increase sin…Knowledge of the Law increases sin. See there’s not just the 10 commandments there is 613 commandments and it is impossible for us or even the Jews to fulfill all of them, so that’s why Jesus had to come. But strictly looking at what the book of Leviticus said to do and what the book of Leviticus said not to do society still does maintain some of them within the culture, but most often they are forgetting the most important ones – the 10 Commandments, and when you love Jesus you will naturally want to do those things whether you’re a Jew or a Gentile.

    isn’t it the Law was a baby sitter?

    The Law is not a baby sitter, it’s a teacher to train, but now we have a new teacher that trains us and that is the Holy Spirit. God is more interested with the fruit of the Spirit then He is with the Law, but the first fruit, love, which summarizes the fulfilling of the Law.

    isn’t it the Law was given to the Jews? not gentiles?
    Without Jesus neither Jews or Gentiles were saved, in ACTS 15 it says – 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you {Gentiles} no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[g] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

    isn’t Paul was upset with the Galatians because they were
    gentiles and yet they went back to the Law thinking they
    will receive justification by it?
    We are not justified by the Law, but by grace and faith.

    isn’t it we receive the holy Spirit by believing what we heard about Jesus
    and now by the works of the Law?
    We receive the Holy Spirit by believing what we heard about Jesus, I don’t know if you meant not or now, we are not receiving the Holy Spirit by the works of the Law. The only thing we are required to do is to develop the fruit of the Spirit. The first one is Love or Agape, and that is the new Law which Jesus said, “Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. That summarizes the Law.” Read 1 Corinthians 13 for more about Love.

    isn’t it God found FAULT with the old covenant?
    if so, why would God write it to our hearts?
    It was a foreshadow of what was to come, through Jesus and if we are going to be kings and priests we are going to live after the Law, but under the New Covenant that Law is summarized by love or Agape and the fruit of the Spirit.

    “For if that first covenant had been FAULTLESS, then no place would have been sought for a second”
    – Hebrews 8:7-9
    isn’t it God obsoletes the old? and made a new? if so, why would God still include it on the new if its old?
    “By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear”
    – Hebrews 8:13
    isn’t it Jesus said “we cannot put old to new wineskin? if so, then
    why would God include the old in the new?

    Let me take some time to pray about your questions because I need a break, and I will come back with an answer. I don’t want to confuse you any further. For the time being don’t worry so much about do the Law or do not do the Law, but just focus on the fruit of the Spirit, without which there is no Law. The Holy Spirit helps you do the things that are right and wrong and to act out of the fruit of the Spirit. Just pray about it and receive revelation. I’ve been where you are and it took much wrestling with God, to accept Him for who He is all of Him, which some parts we cannot still understand, but we can say, I trust You God. We are no longer bound under Law…but the Laws weren’t all that bad.

    • Thanks for your reply…

      I generally agree with what you are saying. I do have reservations and queries… see below

      ———————————————————————————
      @”The 10 Commandments are/were not written on the heart of the Gentiles before God gave
      the New Covenant because before God gave the New Covenant”
      ———————————————————————————

      I’ll quote the scripture

      Romans 2:12-26 HCSB

      12 All those who sinned without the law will also perish without the law,
      and all those who sinned under the law will be judged by the law.
      13 For the hearers of the law are not righteous before God, but the doers
      of the law will be declared righteous.
      14 So, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, instinctively do what the
      law demands, they are a law to themselves even though they do not have the law.
      15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts.
      Their consciences confirm this. Their competing thoughts will either accuse or
      excuse them
      16 on the day when God judges what people have kept secret, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus.

      ———————————————————————————

      Verse 14 says the gentiles who do not have the Law like that of the Jews
      instinctively do what the law demands. so even though they do not have the law
      that became a law to themselves.

      verse 15 : says that the work of the Law is written on their hearts.

      so I sufficiently based my understanding that the Law was written on the gentiles heart.

      I also based my understanding in the entire chapter 12 because
      Paul was talking about the Jews written Law. you can find him quoting some of the 10 commandments
      in the last chapter.

      I would like to know from you,

      * How did you came up with the 10 commandments Law being written to the gentiles heart in the new covenant?
      can you provide me a scripture reference so I can study on it?

      ———————————————————————————
      @”isn’t it the Law increases sin?.
      **Law doesn’t increase sin”
      ———————————————————————————

      oh i missed putting the verse, sorry for that.

      Romans 5:20

      20 The law was given so that sin would increase. But where sin increased, God’s grace increased even more.

      ———————————————————————————
      @”isn’t it the Law was a baby sitter?
      **The Law is not a baby sitter”
      ———————————————————————————
      again sorry. I used a different version. I should have used NIV or King James.

      The Kingdom New Testament

      ———————————————————————————
      @”isn’t Paul was upset with the Galatians because they were
      gentiles and yet they went back to the Law thinking they
      will receive justification by it?
      **We are not justified by the Law, but by grace and faith.”
      ———————————————————————————

      i’ll take that as a yes. we are justified by faith.

      ———————————————————————————
      @”isn’t it we receive the holy Spirit by believing what we heard about Jesus
      and now by the works of the Law?
      ***I don’t know if you meant not or now,
      ———————————————————————————
      oh this is important..

      I meant “NOT” and not “now”…. sorry typo. it totally gives a different meaning.

      ———————————————————————————
      @”isn’t it God found FAULT with the old covenant?
      if so, why would God write it to our hearts?
      ***It was a foreshadow of what was to come, through Jesus and if we are going to
      be kings and priests we are going to live after the Law, but under the New Covenant
      that Law is summarized by love or Agape and the fruit of the Spirit.”
      ———————————————————————————

      let me rephrase my question.

      Would God write a FAULTY covenant in our heart?

      ———————————————————————————
      @”Let me take some time to pray about your questions because I need a break”
      ———————————————————————————

      I apologize for robbing you of your time. I really appreciate
      you answering back and forth.

      until then,

      – grace and peace

  4. * How did you came up with the 10 commandments Law being written to the gentiles heart in the new covenant?
    can you provide me a scripture reference so I can study on it?

    I did a word study on the verse Nomos for Romans 2:12-15, and I also did further study to find out that the word Law is used to means the 10 Commandments + any other that are applicable. I took the context of the whole passage and the Holy Spirit revealed that to me.

    The Holy Spirit helps us fulfill the Law. He will not give you to do anything that is too hard for you or by your own effort, that’s why Jesus made it as simple as possible. But to point out that our righteousness and our justification is not determined by the Law, but by faith as it says over and over again in the New Testament.

    Romans 5:20
    20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,

    Here the word sin is hamartia and in the New Testament it is always meant in an ethical sense.

    For this particular verse it means wrong thought, speech or action

    Blue Letter Bible. “Dictionary and Word Search for hamartia (Strong’s 266)”. Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2012. 28 Mar 2012.

    “Although the Jews did not make a distinction between the moral, civil, cermonious, and ethical Law…The New Testament refers to it as primarily ethical.
    Blue Letter Bible. “Dictionary and Word Search for nomos (Strong’s 3551)”. Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2012. 28 Mar 2012.

    http://singingsinglev4.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/introduction-to-law-in-the-new-testament/

    Above is a link or you could go to my home page and type introduction to law in the New Testament.

    We need to make a distinction between the Old Covenant and the term Covenant, and the Law. A Covenant is an agreement made by God for His people as a promise that He’s still with them. The Law was a set of guidelines on how they should live. God did not write a faulty covenant, they did not continue in it…

    because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts- Hebrews 8:10

    When Hebrews says that the Old Covenant was not faultless, it means that was not free from fault, but it was not faulty meaning full of fault.

    We are no longer under the Old Covenant anyhow that was done with through the Blood of Jesus and we are under the New Covenant, which is better. The Law though was a set of guidelines in how to live. What’s more important is not to get hung up on Law vs. Grace, but just concentrate on cultivating the fruit of the Spirit in your life. And allowing Jesus to let those seeds planted when we became born again to bear fruit. They are again Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, and Self-Control, against these things, which is there is no Law.

    Ephesians 3:16-21 says that Christ dwell through the heart through faith – Faith comes first, then be rooted and grounded in love; so that you can comprehend or understand what is the width and length and depth and height to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge, that you be filled with the fullness of God.

    I know you’ll have a lot of questions but me telling you what I have learned isn’t going to help you because you’ll just end up getting a headache like I did when I was learning about predestination vs. Arminism. Right now just believe in Jesus with your heart because both of us don’t want to be stuck with a whole bunch of head knowledge and no relationship.

    About Old Wineskins and New Wineskins Read Joshua 9-

    12 This bread of ours we took hot for our provision from our houses on the day we departed to come to you. But now look, it is dry and moldy. 13 And these wineskins which we filled were new, and see, they are torn; and these our garments and our sandals have become old because of the very long journey.

    and tell me what is your taking on those verses.

  5. arrrrrrrrggggg.. this is so breaking my head.

    Why is the Law so hard to understand???!!!!

    unlike Grace one easily comprehends. even the dumbest of the dumb.

    from now on, I am no longer going to break my head on this matter.
    thanks for your advice. 🙂

    and i’m not going to learn “predestination vs. Arminism” either.. lol

    thanks for your time

    • God is hard to understand, it is part of His nature, He said, “seeing they will not perceive, hearing they will not understand”. He also said, “My thoughts are higher than your thoughts, and My ways are higher than your ways. So the best thing you can do when you don’t understand is say, “I trust You God, even though I don’t understand.” God is beyond our finite little minds can comprehend, and thank God for the Holy Spirit who gives wisdom to all that ask for it. Sometimes I sit back and wonder with amazement, why are You such a mystery? Sometimes we have preconceived notions and ideas of what God is like, that we try to fit Him into our image, when in reality we have to learn about Him the way He is. I don’t want to pressure you any further with all this, but I just want to say that I’ve been through where you are before, and I just surrendered and said, “You know what? I’m not going to worry about it anymore. I am just going to read Your Word, and pray and trust that Your Word is true.”

      • definitely true.

        i don’t get it when those who are so evil, Grace works for them
        while those who are completely obedient to all of God’s laws are the once not experiencing it.

        thnx again

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